Living Reconciled

EP. 82: Pastor Mike Fields' Journey

• Mission Mississippi • Season 2 • Episode 36

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What does a church truly committed to racial reconciliation look like? Pastor Mike Fields of Triumph Church in Vicksburg, Mississippi, shares how a personal encounter with God transformed his faith and prepared him to lead one of the most diverse congregations in the state.

From its beginnings in the late 1980s, Triumph Church has reflected the diversity of its community, with Black and white members worshipping and leading together. Fields emphasizes the importance of not just allowing diversity but sharing real influence in shaping the identity and practices of the church. His story offers both inspiration and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to create congregations that embody reconciliation at the very heart of the gospel.

📣 Join us for the Living Reconciled Celebration on September 25 at Mississippi College’s Anderson Hall as we continue the conversation about building churches and communities that reflect the unity of Christ.

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Speaker 1:

This is Living Reconciled, a podcast dedicated to giving our communities practical evidence of the gospel message by helping Christians learn how to live in the reconciliation that Jesus has already secured for us by living with grace across racial lines. Hey, thanks so much for joining us on episode 82 of Living Reconciled. I'm your host, Brian Crawford, hanging out with incredible friends, good friends, netty winners, Austin Hoyle. Gentlemen, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2:

I'm doing great man. I love to hear that incredible friend man. I don't know what it means, but I love hearing it.

Speaker 1:

It means that you're incredible man just like Austin. How about yourself, dr Hall? How are you doing today?

Speaker 3:

My wife calls me incredible all the time, so I just feel like I'm at home now, thank you. Thank you, brian.

Speaker 1:

Don't believe that, but that's okay. Special thanks to Mississippi College, anderson United Methodist Church, grace Temple Church, mississippi State University, real Christian Foundation, nissan, st Dominic's Hospital, atmos Energy, regent Foundation, brown Missionary Baptist Church and all the others. Thank you so much to Doris Powell, robert Ward, ann Winters, individuals. It's folks like you individuals, churches, companies, organizations, nonprofits that make Mission Mississippi able to do what we do. If you would like to join this great list of individuals, churches, companies and foundations who are investing in the work of reconciliation in this state and beyond, it's real easy to do you can go to missionmississippiorg again missionmississippiorg and click on the donate page and you, too, can invest in this work of reconciliation, whether it be podcasts, coaching, days of dialogue sessions, trainings at places like Belle Haven University, mississippi College, we're excited about all the work that we're doing as an organization and we would love for you to join us in that work.

Speaker 1:

But today, this work involves interviewing an incredible guest. Mike Fields is the longtime pastor of Triumph Church, and Mike is the husband of Zaina. He is the father of George and Chelsea. He is the grandfather of five grandchildren and we couldn't be more excited to have Pastor Mike Fields on our broadcast for today. Pastor Mike, how are you doing, sir?

Speaker 4:

I'm great, I'm great, it's great to be on with you today, brian.

Speaker 1:

Fantastic, fantastic, pastor, why don't you start by just telling us a little bit about your story man, how you came to faith in Christ, and telling us a little bit about your story man, how you came to faith in Christ, and telling us a little bit about that journey towards ministry and how you ended up starting, or how you ended up becoming the lead pastor and serving at this incredible, dynamic, multi-ethnic, multicultural church like Triumph Church?

Speaker 4:

Thank you, I'd be glad to and I'll try not to bore you with too many details. But I'm actually, you know, I always start my when people ask me about my faith. Well, of course, I generally start and say well, I was raised, born and raised third generation Pentecostal. My grandfather, my grandparents, came to Vicksburg in the late thirties, uh, early 1940s, and, uh, my grandfather was a carpenter, um, and a self-employed carpenter Sometimes. Uh, I think he spent a stint at Laterno as well back in those days, uh, but he also had a felt, a calling to preach. Now he was a very, very strong, opinioned Baptist and then he would eventually actually Grandpa.

Speaker 4:

George Fields, who I named my son after was, was one of the first. I'm told he's one of the first graduates of Moody Bible Institute's correspondence course for pastors. Wow, he actually got an ordination from Moody Bible Institute. My grandmother used to like to joke that when he got his diploma it came with a briefcase. They actually sent him a briefcase as a gift for completing the course. But my grandfather loved the Word of God and never had a chance to go to a formal Bible college, but he did go into a bivocational ministry for a long time, was a member of the Waltersville Baptist Church, which now, I think, is Northside Baptist. Brian, you and I would be familiar.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely Shout out.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so Grandpa came up in that church and then he got involved with the Pentecostal movement in the early 40s as it was kind of spreading across the South and not very many Pentecostal churches In fact.

Speaker 4:

Grandpa, you know, came to know the Pentecostal experience, as we would say, of being filled with the Holy Spirit in a house revival here in Vicksburg, in a house revival here in Vicksburg. And but anyway, all of that to say that in 1947, my grandfather and GC Bishop here in Vicksburg, they partnered together and founded one of the earliest Pentecostal churches in Vicksburg 1947, over here on City Cemetery Road, and so they were kind of partners in that and the founding of that church. And so that's how you know, that's how my that's how far back my roots go in the Pentecostal movement. I guess you would say in Vicksburg. My roots go in the Pentecostal movement, I guess you would say in Vicksburg. So my grandparents are considered the founding members of that church, actually still exists today and I think it goes by First Pentecostal on Paxton Road. I know some of those folks over there are wonderful people.

Speaker 4:

But that's kind of where our roots began. So I grew up in the Pentecostal church here in Vicksburg. My folks Norman and Joyce Fields, my parents, were always very involved in Sunday school and leaders in the church, elders and board members. My dad was and always involved, but dad never felt a call to ministry and anyway they eventually kind of pulled away from that denomination back in the 80s and my parents went to commuted back and forth to a church in Jackson for several years. But at the same time dad began to hold Bible studies here at his home and prayer meetings. Never intending on starting a church, he just wanted to minister and disciple friends and family that he had known for years here that he was no longer connected to through going to the same church and most everyone that was in his Bible in fact everyone I know in his Bible study were people that had just maybe kind of become disillusioned and weren't going to church anywhere and that's kind of what motivated him to start a home Bible study. This was back in 88 and 89. And eventually Triumph Church was birthed out of that. Wow, it wasn't started. My dad wasn't trying to found a church when Triumph started out of that. But the Lord began to move and gather people and just through a year, over a year long series of prayer meetings and weekly meetings and praying and studying the Bible, just seeking God for direction for people's lives and ministering to people, people who had been hurt. But God birthed the church out of that.

Speaker 4:

So, zaina and I I had a business in Jackson. I founded Doric Burial Vault Company. I had went to Mortuary College in the early 80s and worked in the funeral home industry for several years and then I started a burial vault business where we would wholesale would manufacture burial vaults and wholesale those to funeral homes across the state. So I was involved in that. At the same time the church was beginning to take root here in Vicksburg. So my wife and I wanted to be a part of that. We weren't involved. We had recently moved to Jackson and weren't involved in a church there, weren't connected. So we started coming to those prayer meetings, those early home meetings that would eventually birth Triumph Church, and so for the first 10 years we were leaders in the church. We were part of the founding leaders and elders in the church. Yeah, pastor.

Speaker 1:

I remember coming to a few services on South Street, man, when you guys were renting a space in a little plaza there on South Street. I remember as a kid coming to a few services with my parents. Order of.

Speaker 4:

Salmon, walnut yeah, absolutely so that's probably the first time we met because you know it wasn't a very large group there. Yeah, yeah, we were part of that. Pastor Bosarge was our first pastor in residence, first pastor in Vicksburg, and so, yeah, we have a lot of great three and a half years of great memories on South and Walnut. You know it was always funny because and I know Pastor Bosarge, he would get you know just, it was always. It was always funny because and I know Pastor Bozarts, he would get you know, he it's it seems like that the fire department would get a call right about the time it was time to bring the word, you know, when the worship had calmed down and you could hear everything through those glass walls and and. But we have a lot of great memories there on South. That's our roots, south and Walnut.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:

Fantastic, fantastic. And so, yeah, my my, you know that's, that's how I came to be connected to Triumph and my wife and I served here for 10 years, served the first two pastors, and during that time, really up until right around 1990, I mean the year 2000, I felt like my calling was bivocational, you know, to minister, teach the Bible, primarily in the area of worship, leading. But God had a different plan and so that's been 25 years ago that we almost 26 years ago, that we were set in as the lead pastors here at Triumph. Wow, so that's my journey college years, early 20s. You know I really drifted far from the Lord and but had a real.

Speaker 4:

A real I think probably was the first time I was really born again, at probably around 27, 28 years old. And you know, it's possible, and this was my experience. It may not be others that were raised in a similar denomination that I was, but it was my experience that you know that we were around a lot of good things, but I had never really heard or understood the biblical gospel, and it may have been my own fault because I wasn't paying attention. And it may have been my own fault because I wasn't paying attention. When I really come to understand, you know, justification by faith and the finished work of Calvary and the completion of salvation through the life and work of Jesus Christ. And it was all brand new to me at 27, 28 years old, even though I'd been been.

Speaker 4:

I was third generation Pentecostal. That's the reason I start with that part of it and it just goes to show you that, and I blame no one but myself, but being being totally religious and doing the Christian thing and not knowing Jesus until I had had a real personal encounter with him, in believing the gospel, you know, and taking, obeying the gospel as it's presented in the word of God, that just come to Jesus in faith, trusting him as Savior and Lord, I had never done that. I had never done that in all my years.

Speaker 2:

You know, Mike, I don't believe Saul had that kind of experience on the Damascus Road. He gave an illustration, a demonstration of how it all happened. Did you have a moment within that that something happened? At that moment, Something said what happened.

Speaker 4:

It did. It actually happened at home, you know, and I was going through some crisis things in my family and you know some struggles in my marriage and I had gotten to a place that you know. One night I was at home, alone in the bedroom crying out to God. I was at home, alone in the bedroom, crying out to God, and it's just hard to explain, but I had a moment there where I was boohooing, as we would say, to God and crying out to God and just in that moment I realized that I had never surrendered my life to Christ, that I had never surrendered my life to Christ, I'd never accepted Christ for who he was and come to him without conditions, but just totally surrendered my life to Christ. And that was my and, eddie, I do look at that as a Damascus Road moment for me.

Speaker 4:

You know I've given that testimony countless times is that, you know, I really came to faith alone, in a bedroom of desperation, you know, and it was a transformative moment. The next day my problems were still there, but I had a totally different perspective of who I was and who Christ was and who I was supposed to be come that moment I started. You know, my wife will tell you. It took a while, but I set out to become a better husband, a better father and to take responsibility for the spiritual direction of my home and God just began to restore me. It was in a very real sense. I've always identified. I love the Apostle Paul, quoting preaching, more than any other apostle, but I identify most with Peter. You know of having to go through a season of real restoration and finding my own identity in Christ and realizing that who I was trying to be was not who Christ had destined for me to be.

Speaker 2:

You know, mike, I find that a lot of Christians have to be like Peter, in the sense of Jesus says to Peter the devil is going to sift you, and so you know that's an experience. Coming away from something like that causes us to take things more seriously. So I feel that same sense of desperation and so forth after a confrontation with something like Jesus tried to Peter and he's done. When you return, strengthen the brothers and so yeah absolutely.

Speaker 4:

I. I so can identify with that. You know, just just major failure. And then, uh, a rebirth. That's like wow. You know, I've never been here before to this place of faith and surrender. Uh and uh, especially this place of faith and surrender, and especially in the person of Christ. I always believed in the person of Christ, but I came to see him just in a unique way. And again, it wasn't overnight, but that was my Damascus Road moment, and from that point I can begin to trace a drastic redirection of my life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, man, that's been trouble, pastor. Quick tidbit here I actually came to faith in Christ in 1997, the summer or leading it the spring rather of 1997, at Triumph Church. Wow, and I had heard the gospel preached for a long time in my own house, with my father being a pastor. But it was in 1997, on a Sunday evening attending a service with a friend, that I actually fully embraced the gospel of Christ and came to faith, and my journey, my journey with the Lord, really and truly began there, going into my senior year at Triumph Church. So quick little tidbit, that's awesome, brian.

Speaker 2:

Were you and Mike sitting on the same row?

Speaker 4:

I don't know. Yeah, he would have been. He would have been young and probably probably how old were you then?

Speaker 1:

I was going into my, I was going into my senior year for 17 years old it was that. It was a Easter evening service that my friend invited me to. Yeah, I'm sorry 19, not 1997, 1996. Going into my senior year, easter evening service.

Speaker 4:

I had met your dad, I think, one time, maybe through dug up church, and knew had heard so many great things about EJ Crawford. And of course I met you, brian, at your father's funeral service.

Speaker 4:

Yes, yes yes, and wow, when you got up there and spoke and talked about your dad and officiated that service, I was just blown away at your heart and, wow, your dad had put a lot in you and maybe that was the first moment it began to come out. But I knew, I remember coming out to the funeral car that you were sitting in and just introducing myself to you again who I was and and I knew at that moment, you know, really, I remember at that moment thinking I'm supposed to be connected to this guy. Really, I remember at that moment thinking I'm supposed to be connected to this guy and he's you know, he's our hearts are. There was a heart connection that day and of course, we've been friends ever since and but just, yeah, that was, that was an amazing moment too as well and have just admired you more and the more I've gotten to know you, the more I've admired you and your heart for God. And you are a leader of leaders, Brian Crawford, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2:

You know Austin, I feel like we're a third thumb in this thing. I think this was all set up just to have a reunion with Mike and Brian and we just kind of like the audience or something.

Speaker 3:

Austin you know how he's about to contribute right now, Nanny and Brian, and we just kind of lack the audience. He's about to contribute right now, Nanny. I married a Vicksburg woman. I married into a Vicksburg family. They just talk upon themselves. They're like their own little country there you go so it's a Vicksburg thing, yeah, we'll let you in now.

Speaker 1:

Come on in guys, Come on in Austin, Come on in.

Speaker 3:

Oh no, you know me, I like jumping into depth. I really like, mike, how you're comparing your experience to Saul on the Damascus Road. If reconciliation is kind of like a Damascus Road moment for communities, it was for you as an individual. Scales falling off of our eyes what do you see the Spirit trying to do in your community to help people see better, to help the scales fall off their eyes and obviously when the scales fell off yours, you jumped in, you did something, you answered the calling and oftentimes, when the scales have fallen off your eyes, you are then better able to look around and see where other people can't see. To helping other people participating with the Holy Spirit and helping people see what their own unique calling is. Maybe it's individuals, but also wider communities in the reconciliation effort.

Speaker 4:

Well, you know, my understanding of how vital reconciliation is as part of the gospel has certainly grown and evolved, um, but it goes back, you know, I, I the in in the founding of Triumph Church, which I was here, but, but there were others that that really, you know, set vision in those early days. My father, the first pastor, but I remember that the early vision statements was that we were going to be a church of reconciliation and that was going to be the DNA, a part of the DNA of our church. You know, we weren't just God had not raised up Triumph just to be another local church, another option for folks in Vicksburg to choose from, but that this church would be a church of reconciliation, again, from the very beginning, from those meetings, brian, you referenced, of South and Walnut, I think you could attest to this If there were 50 people there. It was. It was half and half black and white.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 4:

And and that. That was the, that was the core, that was the, the scowling, as we would say, of what became Triumph Church, and it's always been that way would say, of what became Triumph Church, and it's always been that way.

Speaker 1:

It's always incredibly unusual as a kid walking into a church in Vicksburg and seeing that 50-50 split. That was unusual.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

You know, brian, since you got your initiation of sorts or you came to know the Lord sitting on the pew there in Triumph Church. You think they ignited city light in you very much could have.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, I think there were all, all these seeds that were being planted along the way and and triumph was one of those one of those definitive seeds in my heart that that basically pointed to the reality that this is possible, and not only is it possible, but it should be aspired to.

Speaker 2:

So you know the baptist, baptist would call you a son of the house. How do you, how do you do, do that in terms of triumph and sit in? No, no, don't answer that. Don't answer that, mike. You know you talked about. You know a critical part of the gospel is reconciliation. You know, in Ephesians two, verses, 14 through 22,. It gives me the sense that that is the gospel, for for God reconcile us unto himself and to one another.

Speaker 4:

Absolutely, absolutely. And you know for us to, you know for us to assume that we can be just as effective by limiting you know who we worship with and just by saying, oh well, you know, it works just fine for us to be this culture or that culture and we can do more if we're kind of unified and of the same culture, ethnicity or whatever. To me it flies in the face. I always believe that there are churches in Vicksburg that are doing a great work that may be all African-American, all white, I understand. I would never want to come across as judgmental or diminishing their value and their ministry. There's no doubt that they are making a mark for the kingdom. But for me and I think this goes to maybe the question Austin had asked me earlier is that from early on I knew that, hey, this was a part of our church's vision and heart and this was my heart and vision that you know. I would always want to be a part of our church's vision and heart and this was my heart and vision that you know. I would always want to be a part of a church that embraced the fact that reconciliation is at the heart of the gospel. It's not something we can put on the side. It's not something we can work on every now and then. This has to be a part of the heart of the vision. I knew that that would have to be a part of the church that I would be involved in. And my mother, long before I went into the ministry, many, many years ago, my mother kept telling me about a reoccurring dream she would have. She says, mike, I see you up preaching. Of course, this was at a time when I thought, no, that's not my calling and I loved pastors but I didn't want to be one. But my mother kept having this reoccurring dream and she says when I see the audience you're preaching to, it's always African-American and you know, and so she was. She didn't know what to make of that, but she was telling me that you need to, you need to be open to God, using you in a broader way than maybe your mind is thinking. You know and, of course, that and a lot of other things. But now when I look back and I see it, you know it's it's it's it's a part of my assignment to to help people see not only how important reconciliation is, the gospel as Nettie described I agree with that in Ephesians that we take the limitations off of what God can do or culturally picked up, that when those things are brought to God and surrendered, god uses those unique things to expand our tent and our influence much larger than we had imagined.

Speaker 4:

And I've often said too I always want to be a part of a church. I used to say that one before I became the pastor I want to be a part of a church. And then I would say that again after that I became. I want to pastor a church that looks like Vicksburg, and that's always been. You know, like we know, we don't get everything right, and Lord knows I've made lots of mistakes along the way, and but when I look out every Sunday morning and my church looks like my city, I feel like Lord. At least we have taken the limitations off of of the people you can reach, you know.

Speaker 2:

You know, I find that there are two kinds of I don't know how to say this two kinds of intentionality. Can I put it that way? You know when you was talking about you don't want to judge the other churches that may be all black, all white or whatever. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But also you have people that, like yourselves, and like yourself and Brian, brian and others, that are intentionally opening up, taking off the limits, taking off the restrictions, intentionally doing things to make the church look like your city or look like what God would have for it to be. But also you have people that are intentionally limiting those circumstances in the reverse form. They're going to do everything they can to keep it all white or all black or whatever.

Speaker 2:

Now for me, I don't know what to do with that, but there it is. But now, if you're not mixed and you're not intentionally going after to make it multicultural, multiracial, I think there's something you're missing. And if you're intentionally preventing that from happening, absolutely that is not the kingdom that God intended for us to have. That is not the church intended for us to have. And so we find ourselves, sometimes I find myself, caught in those situations, and then you had a silent cry that you know I'm not going to do anything intentionally to stop folks from coming, but certainly I'm not going to do anything intentionally to get folks to come. So we find ourselves in those circumstances.

Speaker 2:

I don't know what you got in it comment, or you know experience around that or not around that or not.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I would always say and I know Brian would say this because his church looks a lot like Triumph in terms of the ethnicity myth We'll be the first to say God did this. I've had lots of people say, well, tell me how to do that. Pastors, well-meaning pastors that really want to know. And of course, the first thing comes out of my God has done this because I know that there are unique things that happen and transpire, that that was God moving, you know, and we y'all never take credit for that. But at the same time, to your point, we had to lean into that Absolutely From day one. We had to lean into that to be intentional about sharing leadership, sharing influence, you know, was it?

Speaker 4:

John Maxwell famously says leadership is nothing more than influence. Well, that's true. Sometimes it does us good to kind of boil it down to that, filter it down. We're just talking about influence here, and sometimes I think that's what a lot of pastors would like to see their church be more racially mixed, but they're not willing to share influence. They might even share some levels of leadership. We'll let you be a leader, we'll let you lead the singing, we'll let you do the worship, but it's influence that you've got to be willing to share and that is to allow others to share decision-making help. You know, ultimately the senior leader, you know, has to. The vision has to be articulated and brought through him. But that vision has to be gathered to me from many directions, you know, and and that's where that influence, you know, we had to decide I hope I hope I'm saying this OK and not in an offensive way we had to decide early on.

Speaker 4:

We're not going to look like a white church. We're not going to. We're not going to look like we're going to allow the people we're trying to reach to influence what this church looks like Intuit church, the way this church, the way we do church, everything from the music on down, you know, to maybe even to the some of this style of preaching. You know, we, everybody, has their own style.

Speaker 4:

You know, I don't try to mimic any other style of preaching, but I love to have other pastors in my pulpit that have a totally different style, but yet they, you know, they have the anointing, but yet they, you know, they have the anointing and we want our people to not only be exposed to that, to be embraced, to draw from that because I know I'm not the whole package, you know, and, but again, I think that goes to this idea of of influence you have to allow. You have to allow that influence and to begin to shape what the church looks like and then follow that and lead that and seek God's guidance all along. Of course everything has to be saturated in prayer. I know I don't have to tell you guys anything about that, but when you saturate constantly everything in prayer, then you kind of find where you may need to step right instead of left at some point and bring correction to some area that may be getting a little bit out of balance.

Speaker 4:

You know, if you do that just by your own thinking boy, you begin to misstep I've done that by mistake before and just saturate everything in prayer and then, when you look back, the most amazing part is looking in the rearview mirror and then saying, wow, look what God is doing here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but you got to keep out on the road if you don't want to run over somebody.

Speaker 4:

You got that right. You can only look backwards what they say 2% of the time, 98% of the time. You better be looking through that right.

Speaker 3:

You can only look backwards what they say Two percent of the time, 98 percent of the time you better be looking through that windshield or you're going to crash, I agree.

Speaker 4:

That's been your heart. You preach in our church. We've spent lots of time together, nettie. Is that you?

Speaker 1:

know intentionality. Even when it's uncomfortable, you've got to be intentional. I'm captured by the intentionality piece. I have a good friend who talks about the idea that missiology or missions, the nature of missions in the church, begins with an accurate understanding of the neighborhood. You know that oftentimes churches would like to engage on mission, but they're not really interested in understanding the context that God has placed them in. They're not interested in understanding their neighbors or they're not interested in allowing the aesthetic and the appearance of the church to take on the neighbors. And so they want to reach their neighbors, but they don't ever want the church to look like their neighbors. And it's like how can the church accurately reach a neighborhood that they're not interested in actually becoming? Hey, so, pastor Mike and Nettie Alston, this is an incredible dialogue, an incredible conversation. So incredible to me not as incredible as the friends that I have of Nettie Winters and Austin Hoyle, but an incredible conversation that's so incredible to me. I feel like we need to break this into two parts, and so what we'll do is we're going to put a bow on this conversation for now. Put a bow on this conversation for now.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

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